It was a "God" send that WW1 happened and it got fit into the 1914 scenario. That was always a big point for me so I understand why most JW's would have a hard time letting that go.
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Everything I once knew as a JW, is now wrong.
by fulltimestudent injust had 2 nice witnesses at the door.
without boring you with all the to-ing and fro-ing.
i invented a friend who became a witness back in the early 1950s, this friend tried to get me to become a witness, because his teachers father (a leader in that congregation) told him that the big a was coming in 5 years (which was true).
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2018 Regional Convention program available on JW.borg
by sir82 inhttps://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/convention-program-2018/.
friday.
be courageous and very strong”—joshua 1:7
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I now see conventions as opportunities for the org to counter things that affect it negatively. I can imagine org higher-ups, being aware of "apostate" opposition, looking for ways to incorporate into convention parts material countering opposition activities and arguments. Magnum
Yeah, gone are the days of scripture proving doctrines.
My take on this convention - the WT has noticed trends that worry them.
Friday
- Enthusiasm for preaching, being moral and staying out of politics is definitely lacking.
- JW's are feeling despair, are becoming unhappy with the changes so they are complaining, are tired and missing field service to have fun (or maybe they aren't tired and don't care about FS) are finding better mates/friends in the world and the internet is wising some people up about the WT.
friday afternoon
- Serious lack of sacrificing everything for the WT.
Saturday
- Everyone in the congregation - new bible students to the "pillars" of the congregation, the elders - are finding it hard to peddle the word of god.
- The majority are lacking motivation
Sat. afternoon
- They use cute animal stories and cute fairytale stories from far away places to encourage them to do more - but really it's to make them feel guilty for not doing enough
- P.S. Don't confuse courage with thinking for yourself.
Sunday
- It's necessary to address the old that are in despair over Armageddon being farther away and the new ones who hope they will walk into Armageddon.
- You old timers - you get the consolation prize of the resurrection
- You new ones - you get the same story told to the old timers when they were young. Armageddon is just ahead!
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It's Not The Dark That Kills You
by compound complex inwhile i was watching a program on islands of the pacific ocean, the three largest islands in the world were mentioned.
little have i ever thought of greenland, the largest island in the world.
i decided to learn a little more about this arctic hunk of frozen land, which had no relevance to the program on tropical paradise other than it's an island.. the name of the article i read online includes the words of the topic title above.
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I've known about Greenland's suicide rate, but not the cause. Cutting people off from what they know as "life" makes life seem meaningless.
I think about myself and how the WT took away value and meaning to life. Not supposed to cherish things or ways of life that are "counterproductive" and will disappear when the New Order gets here. Then you are cast out when you realize they have it wrong. Stranded without the past or a family.
How sad for everyone.
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Cart observations from Cardiff South Wales
by freddo ini was in a suburb of cardiff, capital of wales where it was difficult to get near to my customer's offices to deliver and install what i do.
i had my car parked about a hundred yards away and had to make several trips with goods and tools past a local jw trolley cart.
as i was working i didn't stop but observed much of the time from an upper floor office window.. in the hour or so i was there, on a warm sunny (for late february) lunchtime/early afternoon - right by a bus stop and several local shops, cafes and banks with plenty of people about - not one person stopped at the cart.. the two women at the cart i guess were about 50 and 75 respectively - pleasant looking motherly/grandmotherly types.
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Thanks for posting. I don't mind that you didn't talk to them for hours and converted them to ex jw...They needed a little taste of reality.
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Most interesting info you've found
by Freedom rocks ini was wondering what is the most interesting or the strangest fact you've found out since leaving the jws about:.
the bible.
god .
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Junk DNA. Science uses words like "junk" and "primitive cells" which don't describe accurately what they really are.
Junk dna means that everyone/thing has dna that is the same. It's just not activated. My nephew told me this because he believes in evolution. He thought I would believe it too. But to me, it just means that the creator(s) were
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" It is the True Religion ! "
by Phizzy inspeaking to two jw's, separately and days apart, they both weaved in to the conversation the phrase " it is the true religion " .. now in neither case was it possible for me to do my usual thing, piling in with both guns blazing and pointing out that it is impossible for there to be any such thing as "the true religion", unless by "truth" you mean that which is true in your opinion and not supported by facts or reality etc etc.
my question is : is this mere coincidence, or has there been an article or something telling them to say this ?
if there is, could someone point me to it ?
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At work, I get "encouraged" by a witness who is always hinting at how horrible the world is. How it can't get much worse....
Maybe they had a local talk that stressed that point.
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Where some of the money is going - from AM III
by Listener inthere is a public talk given by tight pants tony on youtube titled "the real armageddon, why, when"his talk, as usual, doesn't make much sense.
he says armageddon is not a nuclear holocaust or an asteroid hitting the earth it's god's war against all the political nations of the earth.
he talks about a celestial phenomenon that will be phenomenal.
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the other hand it wouldn't surprise me if they do have some kind of underground complex, or a small one for The GB, at least.
They had them in the past, I'm sure they thought of that at Warwick. Are they going to let the brothers that worked on the bunkers in too? Or will they be like the
PhariseesPharaohs who buried the master workers with them? (the burying them is probably from some old movie lol) Like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1E-nSNjzlY
Greedy Joan Collins = GB
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Cheap Shots Fired
by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho inwhen @brian j’s “bullet in the head” thread went live (https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4747450574176256/session-8-bullet-head) those written shots echoed in my mind.
a week later while overhearing a bible study, the conductor was asked if god really has given us “free will”.
but if someone ever put a gun to my head and asked me to renounce my faith as a jehovah’s witness, i would die.”.
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Very true that most witnesses - the "rank and file" ones anyway - would stand up for their faith in very terrible situations.
Then you have geoffrey jackson using a convenient lie to save himself on the stand. Oh the embarrassment of being found God's spokesmen, would have been like "death" to him.
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Is Satan Real ?
by jdash ini've been pondering on this question for awhile now, and i'm starting to think this malevolent spirit creature isn't real.
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do you guys believe satan is real?
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Although I don't think he's real, once you've scrutinized the bible accounts and found God wanting - he seems like one angel that started critical thinking! And then got a bad rewrite. Those apostates!
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God Cannot Lie, But God's Organization Can?
by AmABeliever inin the recently leaked bethel training videos, both speakers state that inappropriate flirting really amounts to lying, as if a person is misrepresenting either his interest or availability to another person romantically.. we are reminded that the bible is very plain in its expressions on lying such as proverbs 12:22 which states it is detestable to god.
so with the example given here, we must have a very high standard in separating what is truthful from what is not.. with that being the case, it shocks me that bethel would produce a video presented to all in attendance at the 2017 regional convention regarding the early 1970's, essentially rewriting history as to what actually happened.. is misrepresenting your past and misleading millions of followers not a much more extreme case of lying from those who claim to reject any form of lying no matter how small, such as flirting?
would anyone like to add more examples to this thread?.
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There was a watchtower article I think in the last year or two, about lying. It showed the definition of what is a lie. (WT's version that is)
Satan told Adam and Eve a lie - that is bad because it brought about their death.
Rahab told an
lieuntruth - that is ok because it saved the Israelite spies from death.It's only a lie if it causes one of God's people harm. Telling a lie to someone that doesn't deserve the truth - isn't a lie and is commended.
So much for loving "truth"